Prophet Isaiah and Christ warn about Church Doctrines!: Answers to Pentecostal Pastor

In the Name of Allah Most Merciful Most Beneficent
Peace and Blessings of Allah be upon the Prophet Muhammad his Noble Family and Companions

Christians embraced Jewish human traditions and worshipped Jesus as Deity, John 8:21,John 10:33-37, Mark 7:7-9

ISAIAH 29:13-14 AND MARK 7:7-9 REFUTES  1 CORINTHIANS 1:17-24 

This article is a continuation of the series of Pauline Doctrine Series, if you have not read the previous article, then please read here:
https://www.outreachislam.org/2020/01/wisdom-will-annul-christianity-apostle.html

Based on the comments we received from a Pentecostal Pastor, who quoted Isaiah 29 against us out of the context!. But when we looked in to it, we realised that, He too is an instrument which Allah Almighty sending to us to make the truth much more clear and plain to all the Christian denominations.

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So let's look what are the warnings in Isaiah and how Jesus Christ (Peace be upon them) using that warnings against Christians of the modern days (end of times)!
Let's go through the comments of Pastor on Speakers Corner London Facebook Group and Explain the case through his comments:

Pastor:where does it say that, read it properly
1 Corinthians 1:17-24 NASBS
[17] For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel, not in cleverness of speech, so that the cross of Christ would not be made void. [18] For the word of the cross is foolishness to those who are perishing, but to us who are being saved it is the power of God. [19] For it is written, "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE, AND THE CLEVERNESS OF THE CLEVER I WILL SET ASIDE." [20] Where is the wise man? Where is the scribe? Where is the debater of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world? [21] For since in the wisdom of God the world through its wisdom did not come to know God, God was well-pleased through the foolishness of the message preached to save those who believe. [22] For indeed Jews ask for signs and Greeks search for wisdom; [23] but we preach Christ crucified, to Jews a stumbling block and to Gentiles foolishness, [24] but to those who are the called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God.
it actually say that the world through wisdom did not know God and that if you rely only on wisdom you will perish Salvation comes from who you know not what you know

Abdul @ Outreachislam.org: The pastor clearly taking this verses out of context!. So we are looking at it's entire picture and asking Pastor the question!.

Abdul: "We are talking about the wisdom of Holy Spirit. I told you no more messaging me. You have blocked me in WhatsApp and you are very afraid of a proper discussion
can you show me where it is written "I WILL DESTROY THE WISDOM OF THE WISE"....?!

Apostle Paul, while making his doctrines, he misquote verses to say that people of eloquent wisdom do not know God!. So the Pastor is justifying the saying of paul by misquoting Isaiah (Peace be upon him)!

Pastor: 
 Isaiah 29:14 NASBS
[14] Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvellously with this people, wondrously marvellous; And the wisdom of their wise men will perish, And the discernment of their discerning men will be concealed."


Abdul:  "What this verses in Isaiah 29:14 has to do with the words in Corinthians we quoted in the article?You are so pathetic to cherry pick this to justify the statements of Paul in Corinthians !
GOD WILL make an end to the false teachings of scribes , because they don't take wisdom from holy spirit..and Paul didn't take wisdom from holy spirit, because best wisdom is of Holy Spirit and that wisdom destroy cross . So Paul preached his Message in his own human doctrines in fear that The High Level Wisdom promised through Holy Spirit would cause the Christian faith  (Message of Cross) to perish!
 1 Corinthians 1:17 CSB For Christ did not send me to baptize, but to preach the gospel--not with eloquent wisdom, so that the cross of Christ will not be emptied of its effect. (Christian Standard Bible)7

This is why you are confused and misquoting Isaiah!

And next, we are going to show the Pastor, who are the people mentioned in Isaiah 29:14  Isaiah 29:14 NASBS
[14] Therefore behold, I will once again deal marvelously with this people, wondrously marvelous; And the wisdom of their wise men will perish, And the discernment of their discerning men will be concealed."
What does Isaiah 29 has got to do with Paul's statement of not preaching Gospel as Jesus commended? And not baptising, Paul disregard the commands of Jesus Christ in Matthew 28:19-20!, Though the words of Christ shall not pass away from his ministry! ! (See Mark 13:31 )

And not with wisdom of holy spirit that guide into all the truth,? (John 14:26)

Can you relate your case instead of just throwing out passages from the scriptures?

Isn't Paul the one whom Isaiah prophesied in that statements? (Isaiah 29:14) :

Isaiah 29:13 The Lord says:
“These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught. 

Isaiah 29:14 Therefore once more I will astound these people with wonder upon wonder; the wisdom of the wise will perish, the intelligence of the intelligent will vanish.”

Mark 7:7-9 ESV in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men.”And he said to them, “You have a fine way of rejecting the commandment of God in order to establish your tradition!

Isaiah says that because people follow their own human doctrines and man made rules, they worship God in vain!. And the Jews did so in their times and the Christians also did so by making human doctrines that was not taught by Jesus Christ (Peace be upon him) or the 12 disciples who were sent out to preach the Good News!. The very verses the pastor quoted against be turned to be against pastors and all Churches!

As a result they worship God in vain ,(Mark 7:7-9) they make human rules, they take Jesus as God resulting in worship of God in vain by worshipping His Servant  Jesus (see Acts 3:13, 4:27) this book of Isaiah speaks about Christianity , Jesus explains in it Mark 7:7-9 and Matthew 7:12-14,23-25.

Thank you for sharing, God is using you to remind me more verses , your comments will contribute to an article soon!

(i.e It is an article here now)!

Pastor: if you read the passage properly you will see Jesus was speaking to the scribes and pharisees Christianity was not even in existence at that time!


Abdul: 

In Isaiah 29:13-15, Who are those  men who said Jesus claimed he is God? Whose wisdom was that Jesus claimed he is God?

Jewish wisdom, see John 10:33 ESV The Jews answered him, “It is not for a good work that we are going to stone you but for blasphemy, because you, being a man, make yourself God.”

Whose wisdom was that Jesus did not claim he is God ?

God's wisdom , Psalm 82:6-7, John 10:35 

John 10:34 NLT Jesus replied, “It is written in your own Scriptures that God said to certain leaders of the people, ‘I say, you are gods!’
John 10:35 NLT And you know that the Scriptures cannot be altered. So if those people who received God’s message were called ‘gods,’

Psalm 82:6-7 I have said, ‘You are gods; you are all sons of the Most High.’But like mortals you will die, and like rulers you will fall.”

Christ rejected the Jewish statement and said, he did not mean he is God's incarnation nor begotten son of God!. But God's Unique son among the sons of God!. His uniqueness was, he is Messiah,he was born to virgin and he came to serve the Israel as a Prophet, and he is servant of God in fully obeying God!

Whose wisdom Christians adopted to worship Jesus as the deity?

Jewish wisdom!  see John 10:33

Where did the Jewish wisdom come from ?


from Satan see John 8:44 NASB "You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

Whose doctrine Paul propagated?
Messenger of devil 2 Corinthians 12:7  Because of the surpassing greatness of the revelations, for this reason, to keep me from exalting myself, there was given me a thorn in the flesh, a messenger of Satan to torment me-- to keep me from exalting myself!

True believers never exalt himself, they will be always humble before God!. And Devil will flee from the true believers who truly submit to God!

James 4:7 Submit therefore to God. Resist the devil and he will flee from you.

Did Devil flee from Paul?, Bible says no! and proves Paul was not an Apostle of Christ!

2 Corinthians 12:8-9 NKJV  Concerning this thing I pleaded with the Lord three times that it might depart from me.And He said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for My strength is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore most gladly I will rather boast in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

Paul taught so many good things in his good times. However, this thorn of Satan in his flesh, cause him to write contradictory statements and false doctrines!


Jesus Christ quoted same Isaiah in Mark 7:7-9 to talk about Pauline Christianity, who worship him instead of worshipping his God (John 4:24, 20:17).
And Jesus disown those wisdom of Pauline Christians in the second coming, see Luke 13:25-28, Matthew 7:22-24 What make me very surprised is that you still believe there is holy spirit in you as well as in churches, after all this misquoting scriptures and exposing yourself!

Think and understand!

Good you agree that Christianity did not exist at the time of Christ! Jesus is not talking about Jews in Matthew 7:22-23. Look for the whole context. Christians today follow the Jewish accusations , see John 10:33-37. Relate all the verses in full context, don't  cherry pick and interpret in your own ideas, stick to the scriptures!

Pastor: Yes Matthew 7 v 21-23 are important verses for Christians to be aware of . That why they are part of the Christians scriptures

Abdul: 
wow, its speaking about Christian's not Jews or Muslims . Jews and Muslims do not preach in the name of Jesus.. Now don't beat around the bush!

Pastor:  It’s speaking about people who are not real christian and don’t Jesus. please read it carefully , and in the passage Jesus calls God My Father making Him Gods Son . It also say we must know Jesus as our Lord . hardly verses that support Islam !!!

Abdul:  Earlier days in Whastapp we asked the pastor this question over and over again, but he refused to answer and blocked us!

Are the passages in the Bible , Jesus saying, Jesus is son of God, is it according to the law of the Jews (Psalm 82:6-7, John 10:35-37, John 14:28, John 17:3, John 20:17) or according to the doctrines of church? (Co-equal   co external)?

A: According to Jewish Law (Psalm 82:6-7)  and the Gospel of Christ  (John 10:29, John 14:28,17:3,20:17) Not co-equal or co-eternal

Or

 B: According to Christianity, Father, Messiah and Holy Spirit are co-equal, co-eternal!

A or B?

According to the Gospel of John Jesus Christ also calls God "my God" (John 20:17), which means the Only True God is "God the Father", and the Bible also says: God is the Father of believers (John 20:17) in the context of Psalm 82:6-7. So why are you changing it to a different context and making a new doctrine which none of the Apostles did!
So who is real Christian? That's what our article is about , find out the real teachings of Jesus and then talk about trinity and deity of Jesus!

According to Christ, the true Christians are called "The true worshippers" who worship God the Father", the Only true God!

John 4:23 NLT But the time is coming—indeed it’s here now—when true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and in truth. The Father is looking for those who will worship him that way.

Earlier you misquoted Philippians 2:6, they don't worship Christ!. They worship God the Father, whose Spirit dwelt in Christ, so he is known in Islam as "Roohullah" the Spirit of God!

Philippians 3:3 NASB for we are the true circumcision, who worship in the Spirit of God and glory in Christ Jesus and put no confidence in the flesh,

Context: John 17:21 that they may all be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us, so that the world may believe that You sent Me.

But you worship Jesus as the Deity!

While the Only God and Deity is God the Father!

John 17:3 And this is the way to have eternal life—to know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, the one you sent to earth.

1 Corinthians 15:27 NIV For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.

There is  no co equal co eternal deity of  Jesus , it is a man made doctrine against the truth !

Pastor: go have a cup of tea (Abdul)

Abdul: man should not live just on bread and tea! For it is written: Jesus answered, "It is written: 'Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.'" Matthew 4:4
See how easy to make doctrines like Paul.
Make a statement and then say: "for it written...."..... "as it is written" etc!

Pastor: bye Abdul your time would be better spent with your family

Conclusion:

Nearly in the end of the article, I was distracted to the Phone and then when I came back to write, I smelled the presence of the same devil around me!. Who Whispers to me, Abdul, why are you wasting your time on Christians. Let them believe and follow whatever they want.  You loose nothing if they go to hell. Your time is so previous. Don't spend time on the blogs!. Spend more time with family, eat your Biriyani, Watch News on TV.  etc etc!

So the matter is clear, we are at war against Devil and Antichrist! . Because it is written in the Law that we should resist the devil, we should love our neighbours. Christians and Jews are our neighbours. So we have a responsibility to guide them. And it is only possible through discussion!
We have no hatred to them, we respect them and their places of worship!. However we trying our best to remove their confusion and misconceptions about Islam and it's pure and unbeatable doctrines!. So when you remove an affected tooth, the whole face may pain for some time.  But in the end, there is cure and blessings!

Best wishes and greetings to all our Christian brothers and sisters.
We encourage you to read this article, invite us to your Churches, organise dialogues and initiate discussions!  We pray that May Allah Almighty bless you with the Truth and guide you to Islam, ameen

Peace be upon the Prophets of Allah

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Sunday January 5,2020

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